Presentation at Reading, Jan. 2013

Presentation at Reading, Jan. 2013

2010年7月24日 星期六

McDowell in Person and McDowell in Print

They are very different. In what follows I shall describe three salient discrepencies. The differences are so drastic that even people who are very familiar his works feel surprising.

Let me start with disjunctivism. McDowell makes clear that his disjunctive conception is epistemological, but he seldom says explicitly about his attitudes towards other versions of disjunctivism. He grants that the good case and the bad case can be phenomenally indistinguishable, so presumably he rejects phenomenal disjunctivism. How about the version concerning state? He is not clear about this, but some passages in "Sungular Though and the Extent of Inner Space" can be read as proposing state disjunctivism. Now the most controversial one is the content version. In defending "object-dependent" thought and de re sense, he seems to commit that the good case and the bad case cannot share the same kind of content. However, in discussions he said that they can. I am sure that he said this in Taipei, London, and Canberra. Many people are surprised by this point, including his former students and experts of disjunctivism. I think he is drawing the distinction between constitution and entertain: object-dependent thoughts constitutively depend on acqaintance of relevant objects, but after the constitution, those thoughts can appear in bad cases. Consider the Twin Earth Scenario: the idea of "water" constitutively depends on water substances, but this does not imply that whenever we think about water, there must be water around.

The second is about the idea of the conceptual. McDowell holds that the rational and the conceptual are co-extensive, and this co-extensiveness is entirely stipulative. He is explicit about "conceptual -> rational," but not clear about the other direction. I think the other direction should be a substantial claim (as opposed to stipulative), or the co-extensiveness will be empty, and he does not really need to take issue with non-conceptualists. However, in discussions he insisted that the entire co-extensiveness is stipulative, and this is not a change of mind. I find this hard to be reconciled with many passages in print.

Finally, the relations between the following three distinctions: the space of reasons/the realm of law, second nature/first nature, and world/environment. McDowell writes that mature human beings are in the space of reasons (by being initiated into second nature), so they can have the world in view. This seems to imply that the other side of those distinctions also go hand in hand, i.e. the realm of law, first nature, and environment are the so-called "physical world." But in discussions McDowell refused to identify environment with physical world. I think this move is odd. Do we want our picture to have physical world/environment/ world in McDowell's sense? This three-layer structure seems to be too excessive. I think we can still identify environment with physical world, if we understand the latter as containing affordances, solicitations, and even reasons (though lower animals cannot be responsive to reasons as such).

The general difficulty is this. When we write about McDowell, we need to refer to specific passages. But McDowell in person and in print are so different. Besides, to cite conversations with philosophers is a bad practice. It is not clear to me how not to misinterpret McDowell if we take his works in print at face value. But anyway, it is still fruitful to engage McDowell. I think I learned very much from the discussions in Australia in the past two weeks. Special thanks to Huw Price and David Chalmers for organizing the two conferences.

6 則留言:

  1. "In defending "object-dependent" thought and de re sense, he seems to commit that the good case and the bad case cannot share the same kind of content. However, in discussions he said that they can."

    I'm sure this is already explicit in some of the stuff he's written on disjunctivism -- maybe in the "Transcendental Argument" piece?

    McDowell's disjunctivism holds that both the good case and the bad case have the same content (the two cases are "seeing that P" and "merely seeming to see that P", and both have the content "P"). If they didn't have the same content, then it would be mysterious why we could rationally confuse the two. In both the good case and the bad case, it appears to us that we are licensed in making the same knowledge-claims, so they must have something in common (though we're never *just* given what's common -- this is the error of the HCF view). If the mere-seeming-that-P is supposed to seem to license me in making the claim that P, but there's nothing in the mere-seeming-that-P that actually makes this move intelligible, then this is a form of the myth of the Given. The good case and the bad case seem to license me in making the same knowledge-claims and inferences, so McDowell says they have the same content.

    I think the above is all clearly McDowell's position in his published works. Agreed?

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    Now, McDowell's commitments re: the object-dependence of singular thought and "de re senses" do complicate the picture. Did he specifically claim that you could have the same content in both cases involving a de re sense and cases in which no object exists? Because that seems flatly incoherent.

    I probably need to make that a little clearer. McDowell's disjunctivism says that both the good case and the bad case you can have the content P (either seeing-that-P or merely-seeming-that-P). P is a schematic letter for a proposition which involves at least one singular term, say "Bob is green", where McDowell holds that this proposition's having a sense requires that Bob exist. Let's say the good case will be something like "I see that Bob is green" and the bad case is "I merely seem to see that Bob is green". If Bob exists, then there's no problem about de re senses here. For example, I can merely seem to see that Bob is green, when actually he's blue. The tricky part comes when Bob doesn't exist: then the bad case can't lead me to form a false belief if I take it at face value, but can only lead me to seem to form a thought (I'm not sure I can even "take it at face value", rather than merely seeming to take it at face value). Bob doesn't exist, so "Bob" doesn't actually have a sense, but merely seems to. Whereas the good case would have to assume the existence of Bob, and so would license me in forming a genuine belief that Bob is green. I don't think that McDowell can coherently claim that in *this* sort of case, the good case and the bad case have the same content. But I think that's acceptable: I think a disjunctivist account of singular thought is already something "On the Sense and Reference of a Proper Name" commits McDowell to. It just makes McDowell's account of perceptual disjunctivism more complex.

    Of course it's possible that he's changed his mind since "De Re Senses", or that he just made a mistake in conversation. But I think it's clear what his position *has* to be, here, to be consistent with published views.

    "Consider the Twin Earth Scenario: the idea of "water" constitutively depends on water substances, but this does not imply that whenever we think about water, there must be water around."

    I think this is what McDowell wants, yeah. But there really is an additional wrinkle here that he hasn't brought up explicitly (as far as I know): what to say about seeming to see water if no water has ever existed.

    (I'm not sure that "water" counts as a proper name, but if not: just change the example.)

    More later, lunchtime now.

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  3. "I think the other direction should be a substantial claim, or the co-extensiveness will be empty, and he does not really need to take issue with non-conceptualists."

    I think this conclusion is probably right, actually. McDowell is explicit in "Conceptual Capacities in Perception" (and probably a few other places) about how he's using "conceptual". People who want to use "conceptual" to only include general concepts (and not the analogues in thought of singular terms), for example, can do so: McDowell would then not claim that all thought is conceptual, in their sense of the term. I think the non-conceptualist objections to McDowell often hinge on equivocations like this.

    I do think there's a substantive claim in this area, though: all our rational capacities have something to do with our capacity for judgement. But even this might be a sort of stipulation by McDowell; he mentions some "animal rationality" stuff in CCiP and says that people can talk that way if they want to, but it's not how he uses "rationality".

    Posting this to dodge the character limit.

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  4. "This seems to imply that the other side of those distinctions also go hand in hand, i.e. the realm of law, first nature, and environment are the so-called "physical world." But in discussions McDowell refused to identify environment with physical world."

    I think the way to see McDowell's reasoning here is to think of non-rational animals. A dog's environment isn't the sort of thing that physics talks about; we have to think of it in terms of affordances, what is good for a dog, etc. (Michael Thompson's "The Representation of Life" is a key paper here, and McDowell is happy to take Thompson's thought on board.) But we can make perfectly good sense of a way of talking about "the physical world" that doesn't involve any such notions: the world as described by physics. It's not as if physicist's descriptions of the world are leaving out some phenomena by not talking about food or shelter, as it would be leaving some things out if they didn't talk about radiation or neutrons. Giving an account of things like that is just not their job. This is related to McDowell's rejection of anomalous monism: he thinks there are non-physical events, so he doesn't see a need to identify token mental events with token physical events. (I think this is said explicitly in his reply to Kitcher in "Reading McDowell"; I need to go back and read those replies more closely, I've only skimmed through them.)

    So, I think this is right:
    "I think we can still identify environment with physical world, if we understand the latter as containing affordances, solicitations, and even reasons (though lower animals cannot be responsive to reasons as such)."

    I just don't think that McDowell thinks of the "physical world" in this extended way. The physical world is the-world-according-to-physics.

    I'm positive that McDowell has regretted (in print) setting up a dichotomy of space of reasons/realm of law, since he thinks that biology gives us a way of understanding things which is neither that of situating things in the space of reasons *or* situating them in the realm of law. (He doesn't claim that reasons/biology/law is exhaustive, either; just that there are at least those three ways of understanding entities.)

    *several minutes pass*

    Aha, finally found a reference: his reply to Halbig discusses it. "Experience, Norm, and Nature" has both Halbig's "Varieties of Nature in Hegel and McDowell" and McDowell's reply; I can forward you them if you don't have access to them (I had to use an ILL to get the book myself). He there references his reply to Gubeljic et all in "Reason and Nature", which is online here: http://web.uni-frankfurt.de/fb08/PHIL/willaschek/mcdowellkolloq.pdf

    Page 97 is where the relevant reply starts. "Whatever one contrives to say in spelling out the idea of making phenomena intelligible by subsuming them under natural law, I think it will be a poor fit for a kind of intelligibility that is manifest in much of the behaviour of non-human animals.... There is already a disunity, I am acknowledging, in the realm of the natural not yet considered as including distinctively human phenomena."

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  5. So, in conclusion: I think we can find almost all of what you say he said in person in print. It's just that some of the print sources are kind of obscure, and some of his wording in "Mind and World" was unfortunate (see the regrets in the "Reason and Nature" reply above).

    I don't know what to do with the de re sense stuff, though. I wish he'd say more about that myself; I'm not sure I like quite how he handles it, or that it coheres with his other work (though his commitment to it has remained strong, if not gotten stronger; "Evans's Frege" is from 2005 and takes back nothing from the 1977 paper).

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  6. Thanks for the pointer to the "Transcendental Argument" piece. I have demanded myself not to read McDowell for a while, so I cannot give it a careful reading right now. But I have taken note of your reminder.

    I think McDowell wants to say "yes" to your Bob case, but this report from mine is not reliable, especially given that English is not my native language. As for the water case, setting aside the issue whether it is like a proper name, I am not sure whether it is a good example since it is not a "common sensible." Cases like water might be good for thoughts, but might not be good for perceptions.

    In CCP, most stipulative remarks read like "C->R" rather than both directions. The only sentence for "R->C" appears in p.136: "its sensory presence to her is an operation of a capacity that belongs to her responsiveness to reasons as such, and hence is conceptual in the sense of my stipulation." Now I think this is a good reason to believe that both directions are stipulative, but I think it is legitimate to complain that the way he sets out the stipulation is potentially misleading.

    I now think the three-layer picture might be a good idea, though I guess it will induce lots of objections. But this is one of my favorite discussions, so I need to keep thinking about it for a while. What I can say now is that this reminds me of the three stances in Dennett's thinking, and I do think it is a good way to think about relevant issues.

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